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Hey P Sriv, I'm glad to see you are keeping the si...

2008-10-11T04:28:00.000+05:30

Hey P Sriv,

I'm glad to see you are keeping the site and the movement going. I have started my own blog called Moral Childfree. http://moralchildfreegirl.blogspot.com

Can't wait until the book comes out.

P.S. (no pun intended) I'm the Liberian girl who sent you an email a while back. Write back anytime.

A Big Thank You to all you lovely people for takin...

2008-09-22T23:53:00.000+05:30

A Big Thank You to all you lovely people for taking the time to post your comments here. I am also grateful to the other anti-procreation sites and the people behind them – Moral Childfree, Anti Procreation Movement, Antinatalism, Discontinuation – as well as all other believers of the truth. I am struck by the wisdom and knowledge displayed by all you wonderful people, as well as your excellent writing skills.

It’s funny – almost 7 billion people in this world, and only a handful recognize the truth – the great man Schopenhauer has rightly observed – “In general, indeed, the wise in all ages have always said the same thing, and the fools, who at all times form the immense majority, have in their way too acted alike, and done just the opposite; and so it will continue. For, as Voltaire says, ‘we shall leave this world as foolish and as wicked as we found it on our arrival’.”

I have been preoccupied with writing my book, an exhaustive argument that establishes the immorality of procreation, as well as disproves both the Law of Karma and the concept of a benevolent and merciful God. It is almost complete now, and I am contemplating as to what to do with it. I don’t really have the patience to chase publishers, so I guess I might end up releasing it as an e book – any suggestions / assistance in this regard would be greatly appreciated.

P S

Thank you...though I disagree with one thing.Lust ...

2008-09-03T14:14:00.000+05:30

Thank you...though I disagree with one thing.

Lust with deeply loved others, which results in deeper feeling and a commitment not to procreate, CAN result in something good...

...more lustful fun and sharing, stronger relationships, creative energy...and not more people.

:)

I note that the great lover-of-life-and-breeding person/commentor considers anyone who disagrees with her/him to be psychotic.

That's the basis of the natalist power play. If you don't agree, you get punished, harmed, incarcerated, deprived of a job, of a place in society, of a means of earning a living.

Natalism is fascism. I am grateful that somehow I was able to transcend it as a child, and stick to it as an adult.

May we all liberate the divine from this backwater of embodiment!

You pretty much got it nailed. My child-free view...

2008-08-25T10:05:00.000+05:30

You pretty much got it nailed. My child-free views were influenced by my reading of Schopenhauer, who in turn was influenced by the Vedas and Upanishads. There are enough people on this earth, and our ecosystem is down the toilet, so there's no reason to have any more.

Conceiving...sin:You've hit all the points here. "...

2008-08-08T21:38:00.000+05:30

Conceiving...sin:

You've hit all the points here.

"Real life misery is a mess or a bore or simply too heartbreaking to tolerate. And there’s no coherence to it—no vision. As Mark Twain said, "Life is just one damn thing after another." I don’t want to be a spectator to this any more than I must be. I want to attend to the words of someone who will stand up and say, "Life is just one damn thing after another"

Thomas Ligotti

Anonymous left this comment:You guys are psychotic...

2008-08-08T14:29:00.000+05:30

Anonymous left this comment:

You guys are psychotic! I love life! I do not suffer in life, I love my family and enjoy everyday on this earth. I have a wonderful life and I am blessed everyday. You people don't appreciate what God has given you. Love is the greatest gift of all and to experience that is worth death. I can't wait to bring my child into this beautiful world! Live life to the fullest and don't wallow in the bad parts. The best parts of life outweigh the bad. I could write you a book on why you should appreciate your life!

Here is my reply:

“I love life! I do not suffer in life; I love my family and enjoy everyday on this earth.” Many are prompted to reply in this fashion upon being brought face to face with the real nature of life – they tend to forget that truth often tastes bitter; we don’t hear of the “sweet truth”. Life cleverly salves our wounds to beguile us – a painkiller will make you insensitive to the pain, it will not remove the pain or cure the condition that’s causing it. There has to be a silver lining behind the black cloud of a hopeless and meaningless existence. Secondly, these are your views, you are entitled to them, but this does not in any way grant you a right to impose this “lovely” life on someone else. One may enjoy a variety of things - helping the needy, theft, consuming tobacco or alcohol – that doesn’t give them sanction to force that habit upon someone else. Love is truly blind – selfish and senseless too. What else can explain the pride and delight people take in their child, a living trophy of their sins, condemned to live, destined to die?

“Love is the greatest gift of all and to experience that is worth death.” This would mean that if you love someone, you have won yourself the right to kill them. Judges would be having a hard time, with murderers trying to prove they loved their victims, earning an honourable acquittal if they succeeded in doing so.

“The best parts of life outweigh the bad.” Schopenhauer has addressed this issue ages back – “The pleasure in this world, it has been said, outweighs the pain; or, at any rate, there is an even balance between the two. If the reader wishes to see shortly whether this statement is true, let him compare the respective feelings of two animals, one of which is engaged in eating the other.” He further adds - “Life is a task to be done. It is a fine thing to say defunctus est; it means that the man has done his task.”

This article is perhaps the greatest thing that I ...

2008-07-18T18:42:00.000+05:30

This article is perhaps the greatest thing that I have ever read.

Hello - I am sympathetic to your views, and I hadn...

2008-06-20T10:07:00.000+05:30

Hello - I am sympathetic to your views, and I hadn't heard this message from the Hindu perspective before. I think your essay points out that it is culture and tradition, rather than religion and ethics, that encourage childbearing.

Thanks for writing that.

Yes, you are right. I agree with you.Conceiving a...

2008-05-14T18:42:00.000+05:30

Yes, you are right. I agree with you.

Conceiving a child is the reason why women are always supressed by the society for so many years.

mukti/k/2008@gmail.com

When I talk like that almost everyone who's listen...

2008-03-14T16:40:00.000+05:30

When I talk like that almost everyone who's listening disgrees and they say I can't say it for real. They simply don't think about it, if they did, they would come to the same conclusions.
Happy someone else thinks in this world...

Though I'm not interested in religion, I agree wit...

2008-01-07T20:17:00.000+05:30

Though I'm not interested in religion, I agree with your conclusions. Just, I feel a bit more radical than you are.

I'm with you, mate!

Awesome essay. I really enjoyed reading it.

2008-01-05T07:08:00.000+05:30

Awesome essay. I really enjoyed reading it.

I read your writings on this subject and was amaze...

2007-12-06T18:55:00.000+05:30

I read your writings on this subject and was amazed how much your writings line up with the thoughts that run through my head. I fully agree with what you have to say, I've always felt that I was crazy but I feel like I have been validated. I posted some of my own thoughts under http://anti-procreationmovement.blogspot.com/. I am do not express myself as well as you do because I hold most of it inside of me out of fear of what others might think but I did my best, here is my posting.

Seeker said...
Your site has provided me with answers that religion never could. God whatever it is seems to remain silent as human suffering goes on. I have no desire to perform the self-centered selfish act of breeding. What a horrible and cruel thing to do to someone. After I am dead and gone they would have to endure all the horrors that life has to offer. Just because we can breed does not mean that we should. The children suffer, die and go hungry because the parents gave into their worthless needs. Having offspring is a lie that many have bought into without thinking about the consequences.

December 3, 2007 7:57 AM

Thank you for writing this. I am so relieved that ...

2007-09-23T09:12:00.000+05:30

Thank you for writing this. I am so relieved that someone else in the world thinks likewise.

I fear I'd reincarnate again and again into the world that is steadily degenerating, perpetually, never being able to break free...

At least, by not giving birth to yet another being in this life, I do some good.

Humans have definitely gone above and beyond the r...

2007-09-18T00:45:00.000+05:30

Humans have definitely gone above and beyond the reasonale figure for our population. We must control this soon or face the controlling mechanisms of natural laws (disease, famine, disaster). I find humans as being a despicable creature that cares little of other species (let alone it's own). Global warming, disease, pollution, and the eradication of other species have proportionately increased with our population figures. The problem is that we are doing very little to control any of this. Each nation feels fragmented in thinking that, "It's not our problem." It is everyone's problem. The fragmentation and pointing of the fingers will get us no where quickly. The only place that we are headed for is the brickwall of our own extinction, and the last time I checked, our foot was still on the gas pedal.

From www.anti-procreationmovement.blogspot.comIt i...

2007-05-13T21:13:00.000+05:30

From www.anti-procreationmovement.blogspot.com

It is nice to know that there are fellow anti-procreation advocates out there. Conceiving..., I will put your website as a link. My only request is that you put this blog as a link on your website as well. Do you think we can make some sort of forum with other groups and advocates out there who are anti-procreation? I know about childfree movements and the VHMET movement, but those groups do not exactly advocate the same issues as us. We believe that it is not good to bring children into this world due to its inherent suffering. If we can make an online coalition of sorts, this would be a logical next step. Please give me your thoughts on this.

Thankyou for posting this!

2007-05-09T07:32:00.000+05:30

Thankyou for posting this!

We here in the U.S. live in the most selfish socie...

2007-05-01T05:39:00.000+05:30

We here in the U.S. live in the most selfish society in the world.

Selfish big SUV's to drive, selfish waste of electricity with a tv in every room and blasting the air conditioning 365 days a year regardless of perfect days outside, and we are so selfish that we have to fill those big SUV's with a flock of little replicas of ourselves.

Good luck in your corner of the world, there's no luck here - constant reproduction of more greedy little consumers every minute.

Z.

You bring up some valid and fascinating points. I ...

2007-04-15T01:57:00.000+05:30

You bring up some valid and fascinating points. I know that in my own family who went from prosperous farmers (19 children) to near starvation from war (2 children) in one generation, the images of hunger and deprivation passed on to us were so strong that none of us, the next generation, had children. For us it wasn't religion or spiritual matters that decided for us. It was a reluctance to bring more cannon fodder into a world obsessed with war.

You speak the truth. It is what I have been trying...

2006-11-10T06:33:00.000+05:30

You speak the truth. It is what I have been trying to tell people all along in my site http://moralchildfree.tripod.com. Keep on preaching the truth! If you don't want to die, then who are you to sentence someone else to death?